Comments on: The Case for “Future-Proof” Flex Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/ Doc Miles provide tips on fuel efficiency, gas mileage, and help improving your fuel economy to help fight high gas costs. Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:13:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Gas Prices Steadily Climb Again – What Have We Done To Stop It? « Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-8309 Gas Prices Steadily Climb Again – What Have We Done To Stop It? « Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:48:12 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-8309 [...] I’ve long been a proponent of Flex-Fuel vehicles, since they offer the simple option to use purely petroleum based gasoline or [...] [...] I’ve long been a proponent of Flex-Fuel vehicles, since they offer the simple option to use purely petroleum based gasoline or [...]

]]> By: 87 mpg while driving a Ford Focus – But you still can’t buy one in the U.S. « Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-8163 87 mpg while driving a Ford Focus – But you still can’t buy one in the U.S. « Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:29:39 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-8163 [...] modern diesel engine technology also avoids the chicken-and-egg problem that other alternative fuels have… US-based drivers can currently fuel their zippy and [...] [...] modern diesel engine technology also avoids the chicken-and-egg problem that other alternative fuels have… US-based drivers can currently fuel their zippy and [...]

]]> By: UL Approves 15% Ethanol Blends for “Legacy” Gas Pumps | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-7308 UL Approves 15% Ethanol Blends for “Legacy” Gas Pumps | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:36:57 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-7308 [...] challenge is, and he told me that the industry was about to have excess capacity, without any real FFV progress, the blend-wall for non-FFV vehcile fuel needed to be raised to 12% or 15% in order to create room [...] [...] challenge is, and he told me that the industry was about to have excess capacity, without any real FFV progress, the blend-wall for non-FFV vehcile fuel needed to be raised to 12% or 15% in order to create room [...]

]]> By: Charles http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-6821 Charles Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:47:12 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-6821 On the fuelclinic site, what do you mean by mean and arithmetic mean and all that stuff. I don't understand why there needs to be a difference in measuring. Why not just the normal average? On the fuelclinic site, what do you mean by mean and arithmetic mean and all that stuff. I don’t understand why there needs to be a difference in measuring. Why not just the normal average?

]]> By: Charles http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-6820 Charles Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:45:10 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-6820 Flex sounds good if it only costs about $100 more as you say. However it seems that space would have to be taken from somewhere for the extra tank. A much better idea than hybrids which cost so much more only the rich can afford them. How that helps the average consumer I don't know. The problem with ethanol fuels of course is that they are less efficient and actually from what I have read take MORE input energy to get the same output energy. And also there are areas of the world that depend on corn as a staple for food and if corn prices rise as they have, I understand then their food prices are more thereby creating more starving people. As far as I know I have not heard of a gasoline car depriving anyone of food. I think it is time to build new oil refineries and use what we have rather than give money to foreign countries. A long time ago I saw a movie called "Bate's Car: Sweet as a Nut". This gentleman in England invented a conversion device so that he could use gasoline or methane from rotting manure. It was a fairly simple process to digest and store the gas in a propane-style tank. However I wonder if his device was ever put on the market? All animals produce manure as do humans. It seems like if we could create gas from what often is waste product now that that would be a good idea. Although farmers do use it for fertilizer so there is a flaw in that idea. Flex sounds good if it only costs about $100 more as you say. However it seems that space would have to be taken from somewhere for the extra tank.

A much better idea than hybrids which cost so much more only the rich can afford them. How that helps the average consumer I don’t know.

The problem with ethanol fuels of course is that they are less efficient and actually from what I have read take MORE input energy to get the same output energy. And also there are areas of the world that depend on corn as a staple for food and if corn prices rise as they have, I understand then their food prices are more thereby creating more starving people.

As far as I know I have not heard of a gasoline car depriving anyone of food.

I think it is time to build new oil refineries and use what we have rather than give money to foreign countries.

A long time ago I saw a movie called “Bate’s Car: Sweet as a Nut”. This gentleman in England invented a conversion device so that he could use gasoline or methane from rotting manure. It was a fairly simple process to digest and store the gas in a propane-style tank. However I wonder if his device was ever put on the market?

All animals produce manure as do humans. It seems like if we could create gas from what often is waste product now that that would be a good idea. Although farmers do use it for fertilizer so there is a flaw in that idea.

]]> By: Ethanol production a boom or bust? | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-6538 Ethanol production a boom or bust? | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:41:45 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-6538 [...] There is a technology called “Flex Fuel” that has been around for over 10 years, and is already built-in to some cars sold in the US (about 3% on the road). “Flex Fuel” involves improvements to some of the fuel system components to resist alcohol-corrosion, adding a sensor that can determine how much alcohol is in the fuel going to the fuel injectors, and programming the computer that runs the engine in the car. It costs between $100 to $200 to add these components during production of a new car. All “Flex Fuel” cars can run on regular gas, or any combination of alcohol-and-gas.  [...] [...] There is a technology called “Flex Fuel” that has been around for over 10 years, and is already built-in to some cars sold in the US (about 3% on the road). “Flex Fuel” involves improvements to some of the fuel system components to resist alcohol-corrosion, adding a sensor that can determine how much alcohol is in the fuel going to the fuel injectors, and programming the computer that runs the engine in the car. It costs between $100 to $200 to add these components during production of a new car. All “Flex Fuel” cars can run on regular gas, or any combination of alcohol-and-gas.  [...]

]]> By: Obama orders push to cleaner, more efficient cars | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-6513 Obama orders push to cleaner, more efficient cars | Fuelishness! Fuel Economy Blog Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:12:11 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-6513 [...] the same time, Obama should hold American automakers to their promise of building-in the Flex-Fuel components needed to “future-proof” these new vehicles, to allow consumers to have a choice to [...] [...] the same time, Obama should hold American automakers to their promise of building-in the Flex-Fuel components needed to “future-proof” these new vehicles, to allow consumers to have a choice to [...]

]]> By: gr33n4lif3 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-4374 gr33n4lif3 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:00:20 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-4374 Why didn't I know about this before? Why didn’t I know about this before?

]]> By: Doc Miles http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-4338 Doc Miles Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:48:37 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-4338 BTW - There are over 6 million FFVs on the road in the US right now. BTW – There are over 6 million FFVs on the road in the US right now.

]]> By: Doc Miles http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-4337 Doc Miles Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:48:15 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-4337 Samantha - It's true - some manufacturers were not marking FFVs with the "FLEXFUEL" badge until recently (a new law made them add badges where appropriate). You can check if you are driving a flex fuel car online at this website: http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php Samantha – It’s true – some manufacturers were not marking FFVs with the “FLEXFUEL” badge until recently (a new law made them add badges where appropriate).

You can check if you are driving a flex fuel car online at this website:

http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php

]]> By: Chris http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-4334 Chris Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:29:15 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-4334 I think it's great that you can choose any flex fuel you want, I guess it basically keeps us where we are currently, with different grades...but this generation of fuel will become less dependent on other coutries for our supply (HOPEFULLY!!) I think it’s great that you can choose any flex fuel you want, I guess it basically keeps us where we are currently, with different grades…but this generation of fuel will become less dependent on other coutries for our supply (HOPEFULLY!!)

]]> By: Samantha http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/comment-page-1/#comment-4333 Samantha Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:22:47 +0000 http://blog.fuelclinic.com/2008/10/30/the-case-for-future-proof-flex-fuel-vehicles-ffvs/#comment-4333 Are you telling me that I may have a flex fuel vehicle and not even know it?? That is crazy, I would think that it would be a big selling point! Maybe even a way to get me to pay more!! Are you telling me that I may have a flex fuel vehicle and not even know it?? That is crazy, I would think that it would be a big selling point! Maybe even a way to get me to pay more!!

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